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Peeling Off Esav's Mask of Deception

5/3/2019

 
​Ever since I learned of it, the concept of Esav as the blueprint for Edom (the Anglo cultures today) has fascinated me.
 
Essentially, the pig symbolizes Esav/Edom. Though a pig looks kosher on the outside with its cloven hoof, its non-cud-chewing interior establishes the pig as 100% treif.
 
And as has been written on this blog already, we see this conflicting Edomite duality in dozens of different ways.

​Feminist Fascism

The feminist movement portrays itself as the best thing for women, girls — and thus, for the entire world.
 
Yet modern feminism perpetuated an assault on everything feminine, pressuring women to act like and dress like men.
 
No, correction.
 
Feminism pressures women to act like BAD men, not normal men: love-‘em-‘n’-leave-‘em rogues, bullies, cold-hearted snakes, ambitious climbers, power-obsessed magnates, foul-mouthed aggressors, faithless spouses & absent parents — these are what feminist hate about men, yet idealize when expressed in women.

Rebecca Walker suffered as a biracial child with no support from her black mother. Rebecca's father was Jewish, making her identity issues even thornier. Neither parent ever gave her support or empathy. In addition, Rebecca's world-famous feminist mother was just awful throughout Rebecca's childhood.

​Then at one point, Rebecca's mother even publicly proclaimed her daughter’s birth to be “a calamity.”

 
The personal deprivation and then this public condemnation simply for existing understandably devastated Rebecca Walker.
 
Yet despite her mother’s psychopathic self-absorption (psychopaths think pain is only bad when it happens to them; they're fine when it happens to others), this feminist icon is still held up as a black feminist role model simply because she writes well, with both a novel & a movie based on that novel considered as some of the greatest in literature and film.

Ariel Leve's feminist-writer mother peaked before my time, so I never heard of her until I heard of Ariel.

But in her time, she was hoisted up on the pedestal of super-feminism simply for her poetry and novel-writing skills, then declared by magazines to be one of the most intelligent women and one of the most beautiful women.

Hosting parties in her elegant Manhattan penthouse for other literary elites, she gushed about Ariel being “my daughter, my best friend, my roommate!” while newspapers and magazines admired the way she filled Ariel's room with "books, stuffed toys" and "little poems her mother wrote to make table manners and other chores more palatable.” [People magazine, 1976]

​How peachy!

 
But again, the truth was very different. Ariel recalls coming out of her bedroom in tears as she begged these artistic geniuses to turn down the music as it was a school night and she needed her sleep.

Not only did these literary social critics and social justice warriors ignore the pleas of the exhausted 12-year-old, they even entered her bedroom as an extension of the party and Ariel’s mother also burst in for spur-of-the-moment poetry readings.
 
A 2016 Guardian article quotes Ariel: “...works of art excused misconduct. Narcissism flourished. Bad behavior was indulged.” 
 
Another prominent feminist friend of her mother offered Ariel a lit cigarette to smoke — when she was five. You’ve come a long way, baby!
 
Ariel has since described a childhood of physical and emotional abuse, gaslighting, and “games” invented by Sandra that were so bizarre and depraved, I’m flabbergasted how anyone would think up such a thing.

Moira Greyland's story is most disturbing. And it's corroborated by her brother, Patrick.
 
Though I was never a fantasy reader (except for Harry Potter and the Oz series, of course), I always saw their mother's name scrawled prominently across her novels in the promotional displays in every book store, in addition to seeing her books in many homes.

One of her fantasy series has remained a best-seller for decades and she created a popular fantasy magazine that gave many successful fantasy writers their start.

She was particularly encouraging of female writers in this formerly male-dominated genre.
 
She was also a feminist icon, plus attracted to her own gender to boot. Oddly, she married a man attracted to his own gender too.

Yet despite how outstanding she looked on paper, hints to her hidden monstrousness leaked out.

People who dealt with her personally sometimes found themselves on the receiving end of a verbal onslaught — including fans & novice writers who approached her at writing conventions.

Some readers found disturbingly sick elements in her oh-so popular series. "What kind of person would write something like that?" they wondered.

Finally, Moira worked up the courage to speak out. She also called the police on her father, whom she caught abusing another child.

Nauseatingly, both of Moira's parents also preyed on children.

And I won’t go any further than that, but their daughter has a truly heartbreaking story to tell of her upbringing (which included being trafficked by her own mother to other deplorables and a murder attempt by her mother).


Raised by utterly depraved soulless parents, Moira managed to escape her torment and is today a conservative Christian opera singer and harpist who is married and seems happy, though she says she struggles daily with PTSD.

​Based on her experiences and those of others raised by depraved parents, Moira speaks out against the social push for toeva couples to raise children, occultism and paganism, and other immorality.
 

Many people do not know the real persona of their feminist icons, but even those who do often sputter incoherently about “the need to separate the artist from her art.”
 
Needless to say, despite the #metoo movement and society’s calls for justice and protecting children and exposing abusers, no one wants to hear what Rebecca Walker has to say and Moira Greyland has also met with resistance (despite court testimony and other evidence as corroboration). Ariel Leve's mother is no longer popular or iconic, so her exposé has found quite a charitable reception.
 
“Works of art excused misconduct.”
 
Couldn’t have said it better.

Note: What's chilling about the soullessness of literary superstars is that they have had and continue to have such a profound influence on culture and mentality.

Yes, the way we think is also shaped by movies & TV (some of which are based on these books).

But who can remain unaffected by the insidious influence permeating all the compelling articles & books written by volatile depraved narcissists who wish to both validate & promote their own depravity & self-indulgence? 

Amish Angst

Who doesn’t adore the Amish?

Wholesome and appealing as shoofly pie and homemade ice cream, the Amish represent the nostalgic America of the 19th Century. 

​One of my favorite non-fiction books is written by a midwife who worked extensively with the Amish in Pennsylvania. Published in 1983, A Midwife's Story presents a compelling portrayal of her Amish neighbors and clients.

She presents the good and the bad, but she mostly views the Amish in a positive light.

Sure, I did wonder about the seemingly high rate of mentally disabling rare genetic diseases mentioned in the book (“Of the thirty-six children on the roll call, three quarters were named Stoltzfus” was my first clue as to why) and I also wondered why they went off the derech at such a high rate if Amish life was so heavenly. (Over 20% of Amish were leaving the fold at the time of the book’s writing.)
 
Over time, more ex-Amish started speaking up. For example, what the book described as “Amish women dearly loved news of others families” is described as oppressive gossiping and tale-bearing by those who’ve left.

The Amish tradition of Rumspringa (“running around”) kicks in at the age of sixteen and allows Amish youth to experience non-Amish life to enable them the free choice to decide whether to get baptized and join their church.

In 1983, Rumspringa consisted of Amish teens getting together in gangs with names like “Antiques” and “Luckies” and singing in somebody’s barn.

Girls wore a decorative stitch on the cuffs of their sleeves and the boys “might wear wristwatches, drink beer and — in extreme and serious cases — find musicians with plug-in guitars.”
 
Some Amish boys even managed to buy cars, which they kept in neighboring non-Amish towns.
 
Yet today’s Amish Rumspringa often consists of girls in heavy makeup and jeans with boys in rapper clothing and all of them completely inebriated and holding smartphones.
 
(Also, as a frum Jew, it surprised me to read of the total lack of shomer negiah in what looks like a very religious community.)
 
And despite the portrayal of the Amish has close to nature and respectful of animals, reports show the Amish working their animals to death and perpetuating puppy mills in miserable conditions.
 
Despite the impression of deep faith, many Amish orders discourage their constituents from studying the Bible (a superficial reading is okay, but actually studying it is not—although many orders also forbid reading an English translation at all and instead permit only Martin Luther’s 400-year-old High German translation, which lacks accuracy and is not understood by most Amish, who speak Pennsylvania Dutch).
 
The Amish belief system also discourages a personal relationship with God. The church elders tell them what God wants from them and for them.
 
Those who know the Amish report that suicide is double that of the general American rate, but the suicides are often reported as accidents — even when a suicide note is left behind.
 
Needless to say, not all Amish run amok during Rumspringa nor do they all abuse animals or suffer depression or abuse each other.

​And even the ex-Amish express fondness over certain aspects of their Amish upbringing.
 
However, abuse runs rampant in Amish families and churches.

​And when the former Amish leave and look for the support and validation so enthusiastically promoted in the secular world, they face rejection.

Accused of being “bitter” and their testimonies nitpicked for inconsistencies, the ex-Amish quickly learn that most people don’t want to hear the truth about a culture idealized in the American mind as gentle, charmingly quaint, and enviously wholesome.

This resistance even extends to the police, social services, shelters, and American justice system, making it even harder for Amish victims to get help and put Amish perps where they belong (in prison).
 
Handmade furniture, organic food, sweet bonnets, and gentle religiosity…please don’t wake us up from our Amish fantasy!

Note: It’s interesting that frum Jews are castigated for exactly what the Amish are romanticized: being ruled by their religious leaders, cleaving to traditions, rejecting the modern world, rejecting aspects of technology, wary of secular education (Amish schooling only lasts until 8th grade) and isolating their communities from outsiders.

That's all totally awesome when you're Amish, but inexcusable if you're Jewish?

Hmm...

​The Secret Darkness of Facebook

The more layers you peel away from Facebook, the worse it gets.
 
Most people know that there are human moderators behind Facebook’s moderation policies.
 
What most people don’t know is that these human moderators must look at some truly disturbing stuff in order to block it.

​Hour by hour & day by day, they read posts full of hatred and venom, along with watching murders and other horrors.
 
Not surprisingly, these moderators have a high turnover rate. Most people can’t last long in the job and those who leave often suffer severe PTSD afterwards.
 
Those who stick it out find themselves negatively influenced by their viewing material.

​Some moderators have become Holocaust-deniers while racist “humor” becomes popular at work. Some moderators smoke marijuana on their breaks (it’s legal in Arizona now) and then moderate the posts while stoned.
 
For reasons I wasn’t able to understand, many current moderators fear their ex-colleagues, claiming that these former moderators could return and harm or even kill the current moderators. Why? I'm really not sure. But one moderator even carries a gun to work to protect himself from this possibility.
 
Facebook offers little support or counseling to protect their moderators’ mental health. (Although I’m not sure how any kind of counseling can help a person who consistently watches someone screaming as they are murdered on a video uploaded by a drug cartel.)

Moderators receive low salaries with few perks. There’s also a definite “Big Brother” environment, with their every move tracked and moderators asked not to use the bathroom (outside of designated bathroom breaks) or pray on their breaks.

​It's not so social, this social media, is it?

No Such Thing as a Kosher Pig

So there you have it.

"I'm sooooo kosher," says the pig. "I mean, FABULOUSLY kosher. Just look at my perfectly split hoof! And I've got lots of meat at a great price! What do you need beef or lamb for?"

​But inside? Treif, treif, treif. (Not to mention all the garbage they eat.)

​"Be connected. Be discovered. Be on Facebook."

Be traumatized. Be suicidal. Become a psychopath!

*

And a lifestyle romanticized as pure, wholesome, innocent, gentle, and healthy actually isn't.

And that which promised females rights & freedoms has done more to violate, abuse, and even kill females.

​Oink, oink.
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IY
5/3/2019 14:25:59

MA>.. Courageous article!

Myrtle Rising
5/3/2019 16:13:43

Baruch Hashem, thank you very much, IY.

Leah
5/3/2019 21:10:18

Where to begin...where to begin...where to begin...
Yup! I agree with all of it. Horrible.
Moshiach is needed! I wrote to a rabbi who (very understandably) discouraged me from writing a book that I wanted to write as the subject matter would be ignored by those who I intended it and not tznius for those who who would never engage in it.
I was going to write on the problems with society going into polyamory and it would be from a Torah perspective. (Trust me, if you look into the topic you will not be surprised that society has sunk this low, yet you will be shocked.
"Feminism is cancer" stated Milo Younappoulis. I couldn't agree more.
Facebook? Deleted it a lonnnng time ago. Never used it really and found Big Brother to be a Big Waste of Time. Evil in so many ways. 1984 anyone?
Yes, the Amish stuff has always bugged me and as usual not so "friendly" and "inclusive" of their thoughts on Jews and Judaism....no surprise there.
Excellent article. Inciteful and erudite as usual, Myrtle Rising. Always a pleasure to read and be validated that yes, it is a good thing to be shocked by poor behavior rather than to pretend that all of it is just sooo wonderrrfullll.....and oh we all just have to be true to ourselves.(Read; do anything I want and then claim it's alright because it's enlightening....)

Myrtle Rising
5/3/2019 23:20:25

Thanks so much for yet another informative comment sharing your own insights & experiences, Leah.

I really agree with you too.

Yeah, most people don't seem to know that, theologically speaking, the Amish are actually not so quaint & cuddly (despite there being many appealing Amish folk).

Most people don't really understand that the Amish believe they're the only true believers going to Heaven and they even invalidate other sects of Christianity - and even other Amish orders that differ from their own order. Kal v'chomer their attitude toward Judaism.

Yes...yet another "Golly gee, everyone's going to Hell but me!" belief system.

Leah, if you ever do get a book out (whether on that subject or any other), I hope you will let us know!

Thanks very much also for your kind words.

Leah
6/3/2019 02:45:24

Yes, Agreed. I had heard about the no one else going to Heaven but us bit, but it's shocking to see it again. Amazing what will be with Moshiach. (For everyone)
I find that I do want to write something on the subject of Torah and polyamory and authentic monogamy etc. What I really think I will do is write a longer essay rather than a sefer. Here's why:
I really do have a desire to write it as sociological elements and their relation to Torah(or how they oppose it) fascinate me and I like to have these thoughts clarified in my mind, yet I do understand the rabbi's wisdom that it is "fraught with danger."
Many psychologists who are opposed to polyamory receive insidious amounts of nasty letters etc....
The books available on this subject are many and are written by proponents of this relationship type.
I had wanted to place Torah in the world and it would probably have been the only book thus far on the subject from the Torah perspective that outwardly opposes this type of relationship.
I understand his warning.... I will write a piece on it and place it on my shelf....
I will send you a copy of it if you are interested. It will take time.
You have such a wonderful blog. I like your thinking and your writing style.
I had read your blog a while back and I had lost track and am glad to be reading your work again!
A gitten Rosh Chodesh Adar!!!!


Myrtle Rising
6/3/2019 11:55:07

Hi, Leah,

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. On one hand, it's really important to promote the validity of Torah morality & show the very real harm of the opposing view, yet as your rav said, doing so is also fraught with danger.

Personally, I also struggle with hitting the right balance of saying too much vs. saying to little, and producing a benefit without causing harm. It's a thorny & imperfect struggle, and I don't feel I get it right every time. (I was even in 2 minds about this post.)

Yes, I definitely want to see your piece whenever you get around to it.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments, I really appreciate it.

bracha
6/3/2019 01:28:59

Just to add a few words. We have reached the 50th level (maybe 50+ if that's possible, H' yerachem), Just read on the Tomer Devorah blog (her two latest posts) which reading that and then this makes me realize Moshiach is DEFINITELY around the corner. Who would have thought even a decade or two ago, that there would be such devastating platforms proposed in our holy Eretz Yisrael. We need to just hold on tight so we can welcome Moshiach Tzdkeinu! Also, just wanted to add that 'feminism' has been, from the start, a political movement to undermine the sexes and to change nature in every way. These feminists are the most 'unfeminine' creatures. They are usually evil and everything they push forward is to reach their goal of changing society. This is a war against H'.

Myrtle Rising
6/3/2019 11:42:51

Totally agree with everything you say here, Bracha.

I think the whole gender dysphoria dynamic legitimized & normalized by pundits & media in America is what confirmed for me that we've indeed reached the lowest levels of tumah.

And females have already been assaulted in restrooms by men claiming their right to be there as "women." But no one cares on the Left.

Definitely a war against Hashem disguised as a war against "injustice."

Thanks so much for the insights and chizuk in your comment.

Hava link
6/3/2019 13:43:46

I appreciate ALL the commentary above (although if we'd been living in the early days of feminism, I think a lot of us who didn't grow up with real Judaism would have been in favor of it - after all, who wants to be chattel under the laws of the country she lives in? Who knew how that would change later.).

Also think about the experiences of these children mentioned above at the hands of the parents, especially the mothers! Gives "honoring father and mother" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

Myrtle Rising link
6/3/2019 15:21:57

You said it, Hava.

I was very into feminism before I became frum and that was when you could already see the damages being done. But I was born into the social brainwashing and baruch Hashem, He took me out of it.

Yeah, the children of feminist leaders can really suffer. They are often the opposite of everything a mother should be. How can their children honor them, especially regarding Moira Greyland's case, in which her highly acclaimed mother was a monster?

In extreme cases, I've read that the best way to honor parents is by moving far away from them and limiting all contact.

Thanks, Hava.

Rachel in NY
6/3/2019 18:52:33

I agree 100% with the comments above. I too was a "feminist" of sorts before becoming frum, and the brainwashing still affects most of my extended family. The one dispute I still have trouble with is the whole discussion about the removal of women from frum publications. I have heard from many Orthodox women who have voiced opinions about this, citing lack of clear daas Torah on the necessity of taking such extreme steps, as well as the point that little girls and women should have tsnius role models and women don't need to wear burkas OR be invisible in Jewish publications, many of which men shouldn't be reading anyway (bittul Torah, you know). And also cited was the chilul Hashem aspect of this whole thing, because many "on the fence" women are so turned off by this, that it sometimes pushes them over to the wrong side of Torah observance. I am wondering about the answer to this, as I do see it from both sides.

Myrtle Rising
6/3/2019 20:03:16

Hi, Rachel in NY,

As I started forming a reply to your comment (which you presented very nicely, by the way), I realized it was getting long and that maybe I should make a post on the topic instead. Nonetheless, I can't resist giving some kind of an answer here.

So here it goes...

You brought up several legitimate issues with regard to frum publications not featuring pictures of women.

I think part of the problem is that this is not usually explained well enough.

To explain it well, one needs to discuss topics and make references that aren't so comfortable to make. Men especially get tagged as pervs or whatever when this kind of thing gets discussed, even if the man is a genuinely decent guy.

It's also true that there are different opinions regarding this. For example, Israeli Mishpacha has photos of little girls all over its Family insert, but I believe the English Mishpacha does not.

I probably will make a post on this because, as you said, it's a hot topic for many women, but in short, I'll just mention the following points (which admittedly are not enough):

*As we all already know, there's a problem for men with shemiras einayim (that's the best-known reason with which everyone is already familiar) and because every man has a different definition of what's attractive (and it may be in direct contrast to mainstream standards of beauty), then you can't have any women pictured at all out of concern for awakening someone's taavah somewhere.

* The Slippery Slope Aspect: One publication caved into pressure to at least feature women who look more like unattractive men to whom no man could possibly feel a taavah (yes, I'm referring to Hilary Clinton) and quickly slid into forbidden pictures, like attractive women in low-cut necklines without sleeves or questionable images like a beautiful feminine hand sporting long glossy red fingernails, etc.

And I hate to say it, but the little girl pics often imitate secular standards, which have these innocent pure little girls in suggestive poses, facial expressions, and inappropriate hairstyles, clothes, etc. (That's one of the reasons no one wants to discuss, by the way.) Frum publications do not go to the extreme that secular publications do, but it's still there.

(And maybe I'm more sensitive to it because I learned about how photographers and designers purposely create these types of images using women and children in order to attract the lowest common denominator. So it really jumps out at me.)

This is all part of the Slippery Slope because once you start using even little girls, you start imposing secular ideals of "professional photography", "professional design," and "modeling" on them. This actually exploits these girls without them even realizing it.

*A lot of frum women do not dress so tsniusly nowadays, may we all do teshuvah from love. I've seen clips or pics of shul "rebbetzins" in va-va-voom shaitels, low-cut necklines, and long red nails. Short skirts, tight clothes, tasteless make-up, & way too much hair showing under the head-covering are also way too common.

For example, I saw the professional photo of a frum female professional on her business website. It was big close-up and I'm embarrassed to mention this, but her chest was more prominent than she probably realized...in a close-up photo that took up one-third of the screen. Oddly, she was pretty tsniusly dressed and the sweater wasn't particularly tight, but the effect was still there -- unintentionally.

*Exposing women & girls to the world at large is not safe or appropriate for them.

*Finally, to address what you said as a woman looking at women: I also really like to look at pictures of women too to see the rolemodels or just to see what this person looks like.

Many frum memoirs (like Holocaust memoirs) written by women do feature quite a few photos of women: themselves, their mothers, sisters, cousins, classmates, etc.

There is also a 2-volume book sold in Eretz Yisrael which features tons and tons of photos of Jewish women from all different cultures in tsnius dress through the ages. As you can imagine, I absolutely love this book.

So frum women definitely can find photos of frum women if they want, and find them pretty easily. (Like I said, most memoirs or biographies of females feature photos of females.)

But they are absent from general temporary frum publications like magazines and newspapers. And I personally agree with this shitah, though it's easy to understand those who feel negated or deprived (even though they don't need to feel that way, but it's easy to understand, given the cultural mores, why they feel that way).

And as you can see from the above, if a man would discuss any of that, many people would call him a degenerate.

As a woman, I can talk about it more freely, but I guarantee you that some people reading this will dismiss me as "catty" or "envious" or "brainwashed" or "nutty." Or maybe I'm oppressed by the patriarchy! ;-)

Ultimately, both men and w

Myrtle Rising (with the cut-off conclusion of previous comment)
6/3/2019 20:43:54

Oops, Weebly's word limit cut me off. Here's the rest:

Ultimately, both men and women need to ask themselves, "Does Hashem approve of me doing this? How does Hashem see this?" -- whatever it is.

Okay, I'm sorry this doesn't answer things fully, but I will try to get a post out about it at some point.

Leah
6/3/2019 19:43:30

Exactly. All comments. Interesting that you write that staying away is the best thing to do with regards to damaging relationshios et Al. My Rav had stated to me with regards to a relationship of this type that "Unfortunately, the greatest part of the relationship is the physical distance."
Scary, yes? Also comment above with the old feminism where they really fougtffor the right to vote etc wad to really go for it without being horrible women. Now? It's male bashing central and ober sexuakisex garbage while trying to be like men. No thanks!
Yes, Tomer Devorah blog has good posts and yes we are very very very much at the end. How long? Hashem knows, yet we are definitely there at the tail end.
Above comment about the 49/50 level of tumah. Yup
Rav Kook , zt' zl, states that in order for the world of truth to come the world of lies must be obliterated. In order for the world of lies to be obliterated it must bubble up and boil over...
Yes, Myrtle I was thinking about how you probably thought if you should or shouldn't post. I woukd think this way, too, yet truth must prevail.
This is one of the reasons why I would like to still write my thoughts down on my area of interest in Today. Getting toward the 50th shar.....
Always a pleasure to read from you and your commenters
A gotten Rosh Chodesh Adar II to all!!!

Myrtle Rising
6/3/2019 20:56:42

Hi, Leah,

Regarding damaging relationships: I wish more people knew this aspect of halacha. It's good that your rav knows and told you. (And I really like how he phrased it.) The Pele Yoetz said it too and Chazal said it before him.

Because distancing is a legitimate aspect of kibbud av v'eim in halacha, then hopefully, suffering adult or teenage children will ask a talmid chacham what to do, rather than feeling like they need to bang their head against a wall, so to speak. It's a very painful situation to be in.

Yeah, that first wave of feminism which was more about women having the right to, say, go to medical school and vote and so on. They addressed legitimate disadvantages that needed to be corrected. (Although even some of those feminists were still sort of kooky.)

Thanks for all the chizuk and encouragement here.

A good Rosh Chodesh to you too!

Hava link
6/3/2019 23:08:28

RE: what Rachel from NY said about women and girls' pictures in newspapers and magazines: I have a haredi girlfriend who told me that she finds it odd that news items about *weddings* don't include the woman. Not only do they not have a picture of her (or maybe they have one of her in her wedding gown with a thick napkin on her face), but her name - and even the family she comes from - goes unmentioned. My friend told me that it looks like the man married himself.

Maybe no pictures should be published at all. No men, no women, no children. Just good, descriptive writing.

Myrtle Rising
7/3/2019 00:20:39

Hi, Hava.

Hmm...I haven't seen or heard of wedding announcements that don't include the name of the kallah, so I guess I can't comment on that.

And you're right that publications could just decide not to show humans at all and focus on good, descriptive writing (always a good idea, by the way).

But for those of us who aren't bothered by the men-only photos in transitory publications like newspapers & magazines, I guess I don't understand why we should remove the men too?

(BTW: I'm against photoshopping women out of a photo. Photoshopping a photo into a misrepresentation is a problem no matter what. Publications should just use a usable photo.)

I think it's also worth noting that it's only solidly chareidi publications that don't feature photos of women.

Other frum publications do feature photos of women.

So people have a choice. They can read frum publications with pics of women or frum publications without pics of women.

Well, I guess that it.

Thank you!

bracha
7/3/2019 00:04:22

After reading these great comments, I just have to add that we now live in a world of total confusion and 'extremism' in every respect. Yiddishkeit has been very affected . There was a time when there was much less extremism in Jewish life. What we have today are extremists within the religious world, religious to the point that there forebearers would be shocked and then we have,, of course, the majority of modern Jewry that has forsaken everything Jewish because of their ignorance of Judaism thanks to their parents and grandparents who threw away everything that has meaning in life and for the Jew, that's Torah. The confusion which exists today has messed up not only Jewish society but all societies because they received their values and morals from the Jews.
When I read about Jews who wear burkas, don't have pictures taken of women, etc., it makes me angry and disgusted because they have distorted Torah Judaism no less then those who have abandoned their Judaism altogether. There's an expression in Yiddish 'Tzu Gutt and tzu leit', meaning to be a mensch in the eyes of G-D and man. Extremism of any kind is also idolatry.. When Moshiach comes, he will bring together all the different kehilot within our people who have taken on the cultures and behaviors fo the countries where they lived for centuries and wie will live as Torah Jews such as in the times of the righteous King Chizkiyahu where there was not a man, woman or child who was not well-versed in Torah. No extremism. Judaism is the most common sense and normal way of life because the Torah is the Guide to Life, meaning normalcy!

Myrtle Rising
7/3/2019 00:35:45

Yeah, it seems like everyone has been enjoying this particularly rich comment section (me too), baruch Hashem.

I think it's because all you commenters have been insightful, sincere, & respectful. It makes for a really geshmak discussion.

I'm also really looking forward to Mashiach to grant clarity & peace about all this issues that plague us.

And Bracha, thanks for reminding us that Torah IS normalcy in this crazy world!

Leah
7/3/2019 00:04:32

Have, wow! I don't want to label something as crazy because I don't understand it, yet it seems like itsi gone to far to the point that it is "diminishing returns."


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