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What is the Symbolism of the Notre Dame Destruction?

16/4/2019

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Notre Dame is a place you hear of all your life, giving it an aura of familiarity.

But in my case, I didn't have anything but the vaguest idea about it.

So when it burned, I wondered what it all meant (in addition to wondering what sparked the blaze).

Then I learned it's a repository of items holding profound significance for Yoshke-worshipers. 

"Crown of thorns" possibly worn by their founder, eh? That's pretty symbolic. (Firemen saved the thorns and other meaningful relics, but still. These objects no longer have a "home" or a place of honor. Very symbolic.)

Notre Dame is also a church.

Even more symbolically, one journalist insisted that rebuilding Notre Dame is essential to the survival of the Catholic Church. This implies that the destruction of Notre Dame threatens the Catholic Church in some way.

Hmm...

And even more symbolically, this fiery destruction occurred during what they call "Holy Week." I didn't know what this was, but I discovered that it's one of the most important times of the year for Yoshke-worshipers, as it commemorates his death and his (ahem!) "resurrection."

By the way, I also discovered that many cultures around the world celebrate "Holy Week" in a disturbing manner: 

Parades of self-flagellation on bare backs until blood is drawn, a gorily graphic (yet painless) re-enactment of Yoshke's torture and execution in Trafalgar Square in London, a LITERAL re-enactment of the torture allegedly suffered by Yoshke in Mexico (the star is chosen for his high moral fiber & strong physical stamina to endure the very real suffering), and so on around the world.

Photos show that parading adults in Spain dress up in the KKK-esque robes and tall pointy hat-masks of the Inquisition.

How loving, gentle, and compassionate it all sounds! [sarc]  

Anyway...such an old, traditional, and classic symbol going up in flames during such a profoundly significant week?

It definitely means something.

And it's also important to note that halacha advises burning heretical material.

(Please see the answer to How to Dispose of a "Jews for J." Prayerbook.)
10 Comments
elisheva
16/4/2019 20:18:40

It also has the statues of Ecclesia et Synagoga. Back then most of the populace was illiterate hence so much art in the church as a way of teaching them their religion. These statues at the entrance was an instant lesson in antisemitism 101.

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Myrtle Rising
16/4/2019 20:39:58

Excellent point, Elisheva. Thanks for this.

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devorah
16/4/2019 23:30:35

I thought it was even more symbolic that the large cross did not burn but was photographed surrounded by ashes.

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Myrtle Rising
17/4/2019 01:17:03

Wow, I didn't know about that. Wonder what that's all about...

Thanks for this, Devorah.

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londonmale
17/4/2019 02:32:57

The cathedral contained the Tunic worn by King Louis IX of France when he brought the Crown of Thorns to the Cathedral. He is also known as St Louis. He was the French King who in 1240 burned any copies of the Talmud in Paris.

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Myrtle Rising
17/4/2019 11:09:05

So that's "Saint" Louis, eh? I didn't know all this. (I mean, yes, I knew about the burning of the Talmud in Paris in 1240, but I didn't realize the other connections with the tunic and Louis.) Thanks for the information, Londonmale.

From the comments here and articles in other places, it's fascinating (and quite telling) to see the difference between what knowledgeable Jews are saying about Notre Dame and what the rest of the world's attitude is.

It looks to me like another aspect of the birur process. Meaning, if you believe in the Torah, you just can't mourn the loss of Notre Dame, no matter how sentimental or art-appreciative or "cultured" you are.

Apparently, Notre Dame was both a repository of artistic accomplishment and physical beauty (like Ancient Greece) -- and also anti-Torah theology and Jew-hatred. How Edomite it all is.

So, anyway...I'm seeing that even in this, people need to pick a side. No more straddling the fence.

Thanks to all the commenters for their helpful input.

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Orna Nitzevet
17/4/2019 18:02:40

Bs''d
heh, now i understand what the picture send to me by chilonim ment:
the name of the picture:

BURNING OF THE CHAMETZ EARLY TIME!
Marvelous!
I think Hashem like this Miztva and wanted to let us see, how much!!
A Jew is a Jew, especialy before and on PE-SAH!
Yay!

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Myrtle Rising
17/4/2019 18:44:55

I like your connection to chametz, Orna Nitzevet, and very much admire your joyful appreciation of fellow Jews and Hashem.

Thanks for your comment.

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Michal rus
17/4/2019 18:22:07

Thank you
This is really interesting and can help in a discussion about why Jews should be ‘less than accepting’ of the church as neutral in the world. It is not a place of love - especially to a Jew.

Ecclesia and Synagoga, or Ecclesia et Synagoga in Latin, meaning "Church and Synagogue", are a pair of figures personifying the Church and the Jewish synagogue, that is to say the Jewish religion, found in medieval Christian art. ... If not blindfolded, Synagoga usually looks down.
Ecclesia and Synagoga - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Statues_%27L%27%C3%89glise%27_et_%27La_Synagogue%27_de_la_Cath%C3%A9drale_de_Strasbourg,_original_gothique_conserv%C3%A9_au_Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Oeuvre_Notre-Dame.JPG

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Myrtle Rising
17/4/2019 18:42:07

This is really helpful, Michal Rus. Thanks for this.

Apparently, there was a lot in Notre Dame that celebrated the subdued Galut position of Jews, while also portraying Jews in other negative ways, along the lines of the Church's impression of Jewish inferiority.

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